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		<title>Comment on Exploits: China. by Tom Vest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Vest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 13:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the arXiv pointer.

Maybe it&#039;s time revise Friedman and his intellectual heirs -- something along the lines of &quot;...but *asset* inflation is always and everywhere a commercial banking phenomenon.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the arXiv pointer.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s time revise Friedman and his intellectual heirs &#8212; something along the lines of &#8220;&#8230;but *asset* inflation is always and everywhere a commercial banking phenomenon.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Exploits: The curious case of the Icelandic Money Supply 2003 &#8211; 2009 by Distributed Economics &#187; Exploits: China.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Distributed Economics &#187; Exploits: China.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 18:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] period since 1999.  They are unfortunately not at the same level of detail as the USA, or indeed Iceland.  In particular since there is no break out of the M series components, it&#8217;s not possible to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] period since 1999.  They are unfortunately not at the same level of detail as the USA, or indeed Iceland.  In particular since there is no break out of the M series components, it&#8217;s not possible to [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on All the M&#8217;s by Tom Vest</title>
		<link>http://www.cargocultist.com/?p=925&#038;cpage=1#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Vest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-129&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@cc&lt;/a&gt; 

I think in this sense Kiyotaki &amp; Wright (et al.) are on the right track; money is just the discrete/divisible technology that best satisfies to requirements for sustaining *liquidity* within an economy that is dominated by rival goods and services. Rivalry of real factors (among other things) entails scarcity, which in turn necessitates the use of symmetrically rival liquidity mechanisms to facilitate the maintenance of nonzero supplies as well as a (more) efficient allocation of factors across potential uses/users. 

Re: the distinction between money and debt, I believe the relevant points of symmetry would be &quot;portable&quot; network addresses (here meaning the kind that are global-scope unique/useful, and which do not have any inherent or necessary association with any particular network-operating institution), vs. &quot;non-portable&quot; network addresses, which may have a variable scope of usability (ranging from &quot;loose construction&quot; global scope to &quot;strict construction&quot; local-only scope), the availability and usability of which which is always, by definition, contingent on the intermediacy of a specific third-party intermediary -- in this case a network operator. Under some sets of conditions (e.g., very, very accommodating network intermediaries) both kinds of addresses may be equally useful in the wider economy, for engaging in the exact same range/mix of exchange transactions -- although use of the non-portable addressing would always guarantee a recurring revenue stream to the specific (literally) &quot;originating&quot; network operator. In many cases however, users might also encounter additional technical limitations in how the originated resources might be used, as dictated by the originator (with the extreme case looking less like bank debt and more like merchant revolving credit).

The model described above provides for the full range of recurring, systemic monetary problems. Inflation and deflation might have a number of different sources (surplus/deficit of intermediaries, profligacy/excess conservatism of intermediaries, failure of inter-provider coordinator or super-provider monetary authority to maintain industry-level entry/exit/population levels, and/or the right quantities/mix of liquidity technologies in circulation), and stagnation might arise as a result of loss of the consistency/predictability (or confidence therein) that the various liquidity technologies themselves will continue to function as designed over time and distance...   

As in instances of monetary liquidity systems, causes behind particular moments of systemic instabilities are always subject to debate -- but making valid, plausible inferences, either for real-time management purposes or post-facto forensic analysis, inevitably requires a high degree of direct, hands-on experience and &quot;know-how&quot; about the what level of statmux is sustainable given observed service flows/inter-temporal demand patterns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-129" rel="nofollow">@cc</a> </p>
<p>I think in this sense Kiyotaki &amp; Wright (et al.) are on the right track; money is just the discrete/divisible technology that best satisfies to requirements for sustaining *liquidity* within an economy that is dominated by rival goods and services. Rivalry of real factors (among other things) entails scarcity, which in turn necessitates the use of symmetrically rival liquidity mechanisms to facilitate the maintenance of nonzero supplies as well as a (more) efficient allocation of factors across potential uses/users. </p>
<p>Re: the distinction between money and debt, I believe the relevant points of symmetry would be &#8220;portable&#8221; network addresses (here meaning the kind that are global-scope unique/useful, and which do not have any inherent or necessary association with any particular network-operating institution), vs. &#8220;non-portable&#8221; network addresses, which may have a variable scope of usability (ranging from &#8220;loose construction&#8221; global scope to &#8220;strict construction&#8221; local-only scope), the availability and usability of which which is always, by definition, contingent on the intermediacy of a specific third-party intermediary &#8212; in this case a network operator. Under some sets of conditions (e.g., very, very accommodating network intermediaries) both kinds of addresses may be equally useful in the wider economy, for engaging in the exact same range/mix of exchange transactions &#8212; although use of the non-portable addressing would always guarantee a recurring revenue stream to the specific (literally) &#8220;originating&#8221; network operator. In many cases however, users might also encounter additional technical limitations in how the originated resources might be used, as dictated by the originator (with the extreme case looking less like bank debt and more like merchant revolving credit).</p>
<p>The model described above provides for the full range of recurring, systemic monetary problems. Inflation and deflation might have a number of different sources (surplus/deficit of intermediaries, profligacy/excess conservatism of intermediaries, failure of inter-provider coordinator or super-provider monetary authority to maintain industry-level entry/exit/population levels, and/or the right quantities/mix of liquidity technologies in circulation), and stagnation might arise as a result of loss of the consistency/predictability (or confidence therein) that the various liquidity technologies themselves will continue to function as designed over time and distance&#8230;   </p>
<p>As in instances of monetary liquidity systems, causes behind particular moments of systemic instabilities are always subject to debate &#8212; but making valid, plausible inferences, either for real-time management purposes or post-facto forensic analysis, inevitably requires a high degree of direct, hands-on experience and &#8220;know-how&#8221; about the what level of statmux is sustainable given observed service flows/inter-temporal demand patterns.</p>
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		<title>Comment on All the M&#8217;s by Distributed Economics &#187; Exploits: The curious case of the Icelandic Money Supply 2003 &#8211; 2009</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] series covers M1, M2 and M3 statistics up until 2009. As previously discussed, the M series monetary statistics are not an entirely pure measure of the total amount of money in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] series covers M1, M2 and M3 statistics up until 2009. As previously discussed, the M series monetary statistics are not an entirely pure measure of the total amount of money in [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on All the M&#8217;s by Tom Vest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Vest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting closer and closer to the argument for isomorphism!

Consider that in order to function as a reliable participating node in this system of &quot;packetized liquidity&quot; (i.e., network of inbound and outbound debt flows), every participant needs to possess some underlying fungible capital stock. For the larger, more central nodes that can both originate, terminate, and propagate/&quot;transit&quot; these flows, this is called &quot;capital reserves,&quot; while for the smaller, more distal nodes -- which can generally only terminate such flows it&#039;s called &quot;collateral.&quot; At the banking-node level, the canonical goal/challenge is to maximize over time the overall revenues accruing from the largest/best mix of (inbound + outbound + transited) liquidity flows that can be accommodated given the existing level of capital reserves. Part of that work involves flows between bank-nodes and end-user-nodes, but as interconnectedness and information processing technology improves, a growing share of the activities will occur between the bank-nodes themselves; in one domain such activities are called &quot;traffic engineering,&quot; while in the other it&#039;s &quot;proprietary trading&quot; (or perhaps more generically &quot;financial engineering&quot;...?).

The recent, arguably unprecedented problem arises when improvements in information processing technology begin to blur the distinction between the flows and the underlying reserves to such a degree that (a) the bank-nodes themselves have increasing difficulty distinguishing between the two classes, and as a result (b) even the domain experts -- who are the only participants with any solid factual knowledge of the state of any part of the system -- no longer know how to calculate or maintain the safe/sustainable flows-to-reserves ratio. 

The result first became visible in the other domain, in mid-2002...

http://www.eyeconomics.com/eyecononomics.com/Presentations/Pages/Bankers_for_BGP_v1.2.html

http://www.eyeconomics.com/eyecononomics.com/Presentations/Pages/The_Internet_as_a_Liquidity_Mechanism.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting closer and closer to the argument for isomorphism!</p>
<p>Consider that in order to function as a reliable participating node in this system of &#8220;packetized liquidity&#8221; (i.e., network of inbound and outbound debt flows), every participant needs to possess some underlying fungible capital stock. For the larger, more central nodes that can both originate, terminate, and propagate/&#8221;transit&#8221; these flows, this is called &#8220;capital reserves,&#8221; while for the smaller, more distal nodes &#8212; which can generally only terminate such flows it&#8217;s called &#8220;collateral.&#8221; At the banking-node level, the canonical goal/challenge is to maximize over time the overall revenues accruing from the largest/best mix of (inbound + outbound + transited) liquidity flows that can be accommodated given the existing level of capital reserves. Part of that work involves flows between bank-nodes and end-user-nodes, but as interconnectedness and information processing technology improves, a growing share of the activities will occur between the bank-nodes themselves; in one domain such activities are called &#8220;traffic engineering,&#8221; while in the other it&#8217;s &#8220;proprietary trading&#8221; (or perhaps more generically &#8220;financial engineering&#8221;&#8230;?).</p>
<p>The recent, arguably unprecedented problem arises when improvements in information processing technology begin to blur the distinction between the flows and the underlying reserves to such a degree that (a) the bank-nodes themselves have increasing difficulty distinguishing between the two classes, and as a result (b) even the domain experts &#8212; who are the only participants with any solid factual knowledge of the state of any part of the system &#8212; no longer know how to calculate or maintain the safe/sustainable flows-to-reserves ratio. </p>
<p>The result first became visible in the other domain, in mid-2002&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eyeconomics.com/eyecononomics.com/Presentations/Pages/Bankers_for_BGP_v1.2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eyeconomics.com/eyecononomics.com/Presentations/Pages/Bankers_for_BGP_v1.2.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.eyeconomics.com/eyecononomics.com/Presentations/Pages/The_Internet_as_a_Liquidity_Mechanism.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eyeconomics.com/eyecononomics.com/Presentations/Pages/The_Internet_as_a_Liquidity_Mechanism.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on All the M&#8217;s by cc</title>
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		<dc:creator>cc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 23:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is something i want to start exploring in more detail, and i certainly don&#039;t disagree with the point you&#039;re making. I think the question it comes down to is, what exactly is money, and especially in the fractional reserve context, what is debt. Since in most cases debt represents an agreed sequence of monetary payments over time, in a distributed systems context this defines  debt as a flow of money. In the same context, money could then be defined as &#039;Shannon Information&#039; - or packets, which is a nice, easy definition, but only if you have the requisite years in distributed systems to appreciate all its implications. Debt and money in other words, are very different things, and if economists mix them up macro-economically it simply doesn&#039;t augur well.

The other point i should have made is that the same symptoms, inflation, deflation, can have a lot of different causes in monetary statistics, so if the M2 money supply is growing rapidly, and it&#039;s not immediately obvious if that&#039;s a growth in debt or money, or even both, well that could be a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something i want to start exploring in more detail, and i certainly don&#8217;t disagree with the point you&#8217;re making. I think the question it comes down to is, what exactly is money, and especially in the fractional reserve context, what is debt. Since in most cases debt represents an agreed sequence of monetary payments over time, in a distributed systems context this defines  debt as a flow of money. In the same context, money could then be defined as &#8216;Shannon Information&#8217; &#8211; or packets, which is a nice, easy definition, but only if you have the requisite years in distributed systems to appreciate all its implications. Debt and money in other words, are very different things, and if economists mix them up macro-economically it simply doesn&#8217;t augur well.</p>
<p>The other point i should have made is that the same symptoms, inflation, deflation, can have a lot of different causes in monetary statistics, so if the M2 money supply is growing rapidly, and it&#8217;s not immediately obvious if that&#8217;s a growth in debt or money, or even both, well that could be a problem.</p>
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		<title>Comment on All the M&#8217;s by Mickanomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickanomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article as usual... but I do take issue with one point: &quot;Quite how you can get away with calling that part of any money supply measure, I have no idea.&quot;... actually I think that *any* financial instrument that is frequently used as money, is money, and therefore should be included in the broadest definition of the money supply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article as usual&#8230; but I do take issue with one point: &#8220;Quite how you can get away with calling that part of any money supply measure, I have no idea.&#8221;&#8230; actually I think that *any* financial instrument that is frequently used as money, is money, and therefore should be included in the broadest definition of the money supply.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Equity Capital by Tom Vest</title>
		<link>http://www.cargocultist.com/?p=620&#038;cpage=1#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Vest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Double bug&quot; is a good way of describing the problem! Following the old systems design adage, I described the same phenomenon as a &quot;double-blind&quot; borne of the perverse interaction of two independent &quot;layers of indirection&quot; ...in a 2008 letter to the Cisco Internet Protocol Journal:  

http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_11-4/114_letters.html

Nice to find someone else working in the same general space!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Double bug&#8221; is a good way of describing the problem! Following the old systems design adage, I described the same phenomenon as a &#8220;double-blind&#8221; borne of the perverse interaction of two independent &#8220;layers of indirection&#8221; &#8230;in a 2008 letter to the Cisco Internet Protocol Journal:  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_11-4/114_letters.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_11-4/114_letters.html</a></p>
<p>Nice to find someone else working in the same general space!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Lender of Last Resort by Tom Vest</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Vest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like Cargo Cultist might be interested in some of the observations I&#039;ve made about the Internet as a liquidity mechanism (ala the search-theoretic school of monetary economics)... 

http://preview.tinyurl.com/IPliquidity 
(presented at the IAB meeting at IETF 74)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/LMdefined
(comparison of monetary vs. protocol-based liquidity mechanisms)

TV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like Cargo Cultist might be interested in some of the observations I&#8217;ve made about the Internet as a liquidity mechanism (ala the search-theoretic school of monetary economics)&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/IPliquidity" rel="nofollow">http://preview.tinyurl.com/IPliquidity</a><br />
(presented at the IAB meeting at IETF 74)</p>
<p><a href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/LMdefined" rel="nofollow">http://preview.tinyurl.com/LMdefined</a><br />
(comparison of monetary vs. protocol-based liquidity mechanisms)</p>
<p>TV</p>
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		<title>Comment on Exploits by e-money</title>
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		<dc:creator>e-money</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article. I came across your post by searching on &quot;statistical multiplexing&quot; and lending. It&#039;s surprising that there isn&#039;t much classical economics that thinks of the world in these terms. Maybe this paradigm is only natural to computer scientists and professional economists find their existing paradigms more attractive.

The other thing I liked about your post was the approach of looking for a bug. One thing I&#039;ve always found dissatisfying about economic theory is that there is so little way to test or really apply it. I think the finding a bug attitude is a partial solution to that.

Thanks again for the nice post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. I came across your post by searching on &#8220;statistical multiplexing&#8221; and lending. It&#8217;s surprising that there isn&#8217;t much classical economics that thinks of the world in these terms. Maybe this paradigm is only natural to computer scientists and professional economists find their existing paradigms more attractive.</p>
<p>The other thing I liked about your post was the approach of looking for a bug. One thing I&#8217;ve always found dissatisfying about economic theory is that there is so little way to test or really apply it. I think the finding a bug attitude is a partial solution to that.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the nice post.</p>
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